人物简介：努阿智吉·伊斯迈尔，马来西亚吉兰丹大学现任校长兼主席，拥有英国拉夫堡大学会计信息系统博士学位。曾担任马来西亚教育部高等教育司副司长，马来西亚北方大学负责科研和创新的副校长兼该校高级商学院院长。曾获得创新领导力奖（2011年）、教育领导力奖（2013年）和最近的亚洲人力资源发展“最具影响力”奖（Asia HRD Awards）。
马来西亚吉兰丹大学（UMK）是马来西亚第19所公立大学，也是马来西亚第2所最年轻的公立大学。吉兰丹大学成立于2006年9月1日，并于2007年迎来了第一批学生。吉兰丹大学的校训是“创业精神既是办学要旨”，旨在培养具有创业精神的学生，促进和协助改善社会创业环境，注重学术成果转化，是具有创新和实践精神的公立大学。在欧美同学会第二届国际智库论坛暨首届菖蒲河论坛举办期间，《留学生》记者采访了努阿智吉·伊斯迈尔教授。
“一带一路”商学院可确保留马学生的安全
记者：在我们采访之前，欧美同学会东南亚分会副秘书长王吉先生对我说，旅马同学会和吉兰丹大学正在合作建立一个“一带一路”商学院，您可否简单介绍一下这所商学院，这所商学院将为潜在申请者提供哪些交流与合作机会？
努阿智吉：首先，王吉先生是中国旅马同学会的会长，他曾在马来西亚待了10年。中国旅马同学会和吉兰丹大学共同建造了“一带一路”商学院，吉兰丹大学将借力“一带一路”商学院在中国开展招生工作。我们希望把更多的中国学生带到马来西亚，尤其是吉兰丹大学。
在留学领域，有许多留学机构也在做同样的工作。但是我们并不认识这些留学机构，有些值得信赖，有些则可能不是。如果我们通过“一带一路”商学院的合作，以官方方式与中国旅马同学会合作，那些期望来马来西亚留学的中国学生可以充分信任我们。我们期望建立一个可靠的、可信赖的留学机构，以保证这些中国留学生的安全。
通过“一带一路”商学院的指导，中国留学生可以选择最适合自己的马来西亚大学开始留学生涯。当他们回国的时候，可以找到一份好工作或者创业，等等。吉兰丹大学的独特之处就是培养学生的企业家精神，这也是马来西亚唯一一所专注于培养学生企业家精神的大学。此外，那些培养企业家精神的课程也都是我们最好的课程。
在学费方面，我们也非常具有竞争力。如果你去美国、英国、澳大利亚，留学费用和生活费用都非常昂贵。但在马来西亚，留学的费用很低，教学质量却可以与西方发达国家相媲美。我以自身留学经历可以确保，我们的教育质量与那些西方名校并无不同。
我们希望，通过这种官方合作，我们可以把学生带到马来西亚，他们的留学会很安全，花费具有绝对竞争力的低廉留学费用便可以获得优质的教育资源。我认为，吉兰丹大学和旅马同学会合作建立“一带一路”商学院，就是要寻求这样的合作。
去马来西亚留学的优势
记者：大部分中国学生选择去欧洲、美国、日本，或者中国香港、台湾留学。如您所说，在马来西亚留学很安全，而且费用低廉，还可以保证同等教学质量。除此之外，请您谈一谈在马来西亚留学的其他优势。
努阿智吉：这是问题非常重要。马来西亚很独特，英语是其工作语言，大多数马来西亚人都会讲英语。在大学里，我们也使用英语教学。
我想分享的很重要的一点是，吉兰丹大学的绝对多数教授都曾在美国、欧洲、澳大利亚、新西兰、日本或韩国留过学，有的还曾在中国留过学，许多教授毕业于世界著名大学。例如，我本人曾在英国读取了拉夫堡大学会计与信息系统的博士学位，在美国读取了孟菲斯大学会计信息系统的硕士学位。所以可以肯定的一点是，出国留学不必非得选择去西方国家。
另外，马来西亚由多个种族构成。我是马来人，马来人（包括沙巴和沙捞越的布米普特人）约占69％，华人约占23％，印度人约7％，还有1％的其他种族。
对中国留学生而言，马来西亚的饮食文化也是优势。马拉西亚有很多华人，所以美食绝不是问题。你绝不会因吃不好而想家。我们有中国菜、马来菜、泰国菜，食物的品种非常丰富。在马来西亚你可以选择各种各样的美食。
目前，马来西亚大约有1．7万名国际学生，他们来自全球60多个国家。如果你来马来西亚留学，这意味着你同时体验了许多不同的国家文化，因为你可以在马来西亚遇见许多不同国家的人。中国的留学生可以在这里学习英语，并学会与来自不同文化的人交流。
UMK具备成就留学生未来的“天赋”
记者：请您谈一谈马来西亚未来的发展优势和就业优势。吉兰丹大学怎样保证留学生拥有良好的职业未来？
努阿智吉：吉兰丹大学位于马来西亚吉兰丹州。马来西亚的开发集中在马来西亚半岛的西部（西海岸），所以大城市主要位于西部。然而，由中马政府同意合作共建ECRL（东海岸铁路线）时，马来西亚半岛的东海岸也具备了巨大潜力。东海岸铁路的起点为吉隆坡北部的鹅唛，终点为吉兰丹州的瓦卡巴鲁。这条铁路预计将把原有的平均7至12小时车程缩短至不到4小时，从而大大拉近了东西海岸的距离。
吉兰丹还有一个小港口，目前没有完全发展起来。但这个港口是距离日本、韩国和中国最近的港口，随着ECRL的兴建，港口也已将推动建设起来。ECRL定于2024年竣工通车。马来西亚政府将投资这个港口，把港口和东海岸铁路项目一起做大，这个港口必将发展成为一个国际港口。吉兰丹的机场，也将发展升级为一个国际机场，未来我们可以从北京直飞吉兰丹。因此在未来五到十年内，吉兰丹的经济将随着国际港口和国际机场的发展得到大幅提升。
因此，当我们在规划吉兰丹大学的教育未来时，我总是告诉我的朋友们，不要只看现在的情况，我们必须提前五到十年考虑问题。当东海岸铁路竣工时，再加上吉兰丹的国际港口、国际机场，吉兰丹大学就准备好了“起飞”的一切。到时候，我们将具备所有成就留学生未来的所有“天赋”。
“世界商业学习项目”助力学生创业
记者：您曾经提到，吉兰丹大学的独有特色便是培养“创造就业机会的人”。为何以此定位？怎样实现这一目标？
努阿智吉：吉兰丹以出色的创业精神而闻名，吉兰丹人民喜欢做生意。这也是吉兰丹州政府建立吉兰丹大学的原因之一。州政府曾表示，吉兰丹大学应该聚焦培养学生的创业精神。
吉兰丹大学正与吉兰丹州政府和各部（如企业家发展部）合作，以培养更多商人，不仅仅是本地商人。我们希望打造马来西亚最具创业精神的大学。当万事俱备后，吉兰丹的商界精英将纷纷崛起。
吉兰丹大学非常开放。如果学生通过研究做出了产品，我们将帮助他们在全球销售产品，让他们变得富有。当他们达到自己的人生高峰，自然会回馈捐助母校，促进母校发展，也帮助更多的人。我们就是这样做事的，像经营企业一样经营吉兰丹大学，这是我的梦想。
我们教学生做生意。我们有8个院系和26个本科项目，科学、艺术、技术、商业等但所有专业的学生都必须参加创业学习。为此，我们目前还专设了五个项目，我们称之为基于工作的商务学习项目（WBL）。
如果可能的话，我们想把学生的学习时间减少到两年，这样他们就可以有更多的时间去实习。我相信学生可以从实习工作中学到更多。另外，吉兰丹大学正在试图推进一件事，即导师努力将课堂时间减少50％，学生们应该有更多时间，离开课堂、走向世界、探索世界。讲师们也要多走出去，才能成为更有经验、更有智慧的人生导师。
中马之间的科研合作大有可为
记者：在履职吉兰丹大学校长期间，您希望在哪些方面促进中国和马来西亚的教育合作？
努阿智吉：最重要的是研究领域的合作。在许多不同类型的研究领域，我们都想与中国合作并向中国学习。最突出的便是以研究技术为基础的学科。中国的技术发展非常快。我去过贵州，贵州是大数据中心，有将近五百家大公司在那里工作。从这一点上讲，马来西亚落后了，我们需要向中国学习，进而快速赶上。
此外，在农业科学方面，我们也可以探索更多。中国人非常优秀，我们可以一起做研究、开展工作，以更好的方式分享并教育我们双方的学生。我们还想探索更多的东西，不仅要考虑眼前的情况，还需要思考五到十年后的发展。
未来，通过5G技术，我们可以实现联合国确定的可持续发展目标，即三个P：“人类、地球和繁荣（People， Planet and Prosperity）”。通过中马之间的良好科研合作，我们希望通力解决一些对全人类有益的问题，最终让更多人过上更美好的生活。
英文采访实录：
Q＝记者
A＝吉兰丹大学校长（Dr． Noor Azizi Ismail）
Q： Before our interview， Mr． Wang Ji introduced that ACRSM and UMK are cooperating in the construction of the Belt and Road Business School． Could you make an introduction of the school？ And what kind of communication and cooperation opportunities will the school offer to potential candidates？
A：First， Mr． Wang ji is the president of the ACRSM （Association of Chinese Returned Students from Malaysia）． He spent 10 years in Malaysia． ACRSMand UMK （University Malaysia Kelantan） signed a MoU （Memorandum of Understanding）， so that we can re－form a smart partnership between UMK and ACRSM to promote UMK in China．
So， ACRSM and UMK will work under the umbrella of the Belt and Road Business School． The Belt and Road Business School is a concept constructed by both sides． So we can bring in more students from China to Malaysia， especially to UMK．
There are many agents that are working to bring students to Malaysia； however， we don＇t know those agents． Some are good， some maybe not． If we work formally with ACRSM， through the Belt and Road Business School cooperation， the students who are willing to go to Malaysia will trust us． Then we build the reliable trust organization and guarantee that they are safe．
Because we understand that you only have one child in China， now you can have two． But most of the Chinese have only one child． So security of the children is very important． We want to make sure that we would be the right partner which is ACRSM and one Belt One Road Initiative． So that students who come to Malaysia， they will be safe． They are safe． That＇s very important．
And also they can go to Malaysia to the right university to learn． When they come back， they can get a good job or they can do business， etc． Because UMK’s uniqueness is entrepreneurship， the only university in Malaysia that focuses on entrepreneurship is our university． Then also， we have entrepreneurship what we call the best course．
For tuition fees， we are very competitive． If you go to the US， UK， Australia， the fees are very expensive． But in Malaysia， the fee is low， when the quality is the similar to those developed western countries． I studied in Malaysia， I studied in UK， I studied in US， and so I know the quality is not much different． But if you go to the UK， I would say the fee is crazy． It＇s very expensive． And the cost of living is also very expensive．
So we hope that， through this collaboration， we can bring in students to Malaysia and they will feel safe， get the right quality education with competitive fees． I think that is the kind of corporations that we have between ACRSM and UMK， and the Belt and Road Business School．
Q： Most Chinese students study in European， US， Japan， Hong Kong， Taiwan． But students study in Malaysia is safe and fees are low and you can guarantee the quality． So what are other advantages of studying in Malaysia？
A：Very important question． Malaysia is unique because English is the business language． Most of Malaysian can speak English． At the university we use English． The medium of instruction is English．
And now there is a good point I want to share with you is that most of the lecturers of the academia have studied in the US， Europe， Australia， New Zealand， Japan， Korea， even from China． So you know， you don＇t have to go to the US， because we have many lecturers and professors who graduated from the US． For example， I， myself， my PhD was from UK． My master’s degree was from US and many of our professors graduated from reputed universities． So we have a good mix of lecturers who graduated from many different countries．
Then another thing we have many races in Malaysia． I am Malay， and Malay （including Bumiputera from Sabah and Sarawak） is about 69％； we have about 23％ Chinese， about 7％ Indians and1％ other races． So there are 3 main races． We also have many foreigners in Malaysia， for example， Arabs from the Middle East and other foreign people． If you come to Malaysia， it means like you go to many different countries． You can meet many different people in Malaysia．
For Chinese， another thing is the culture． We have a Chinese race that came to Malaysia one or two hundred years ago， so foods are not a problem． You don＇t feel homesick． We have Chinese food， Malay food， Thai food， the food is very rich， and you can choose all kinds of food in Malaysia．
We have about 170，000 international students in Malaysia， from more than sixty countries． So students from China can study English and learn to mix with people from different cultures．
Q： Could you say something about Malaysia’s future development advantages and career or job advantages？ What’s your job guarantee or business guarantee？
A：Malaysia is kind of gateway and we play a big brother role． Big brother role means when there＇s a fighting， we will go and become the mediator and bring peace． Malaysia is an Islamic country， and always plays like a big brother role among Islamic countries． Over the years， there were sometimes issues． So if there are problems between countries， then Malaysia will come in and become the peace negotiator， hoping to bring peace into it and make the country silent． And also for Islamic countries in the Middle East， although they are far from Malaysia， Malaysia is one of them； I would say that， Malaysia is one of the most respected Muslim countries．
Kelantan （Chilantan in Mandarin） is a state where UMK is located there． In terms of the development， most of the development in Malaysia happens in the west part （west coast） of Peninsula Malaysia． So our big cities are mainly in the west part． However， when the governments of Malaysia and China agreed to work on the ECRL （East Coast Railway Link）， the east coast of Peninsula Malaysia has great potential． ECRL do like a fast ring from the main city Colombo to two different parts， so when Malaysia and China work together to build the ECRL， Kelantan becomes very near to Beijing．
We have a port in Kelantan， which is not fully developed now； it’s the closest port to Japan， South Korea and China． Along with the ECRL， the development of the port will be driven too． Theport in Kelantan will be the nearest to Beijing， Tokyo， Seoul． ECRL is expected to be completed in 2026， within the next five to ten years， Kelantan’s economy will boost up with port business and international business． The government of Malaysia is going to invest the port． First they want to make it big， together with the ECRL project； they will make the port bigger， an international port．
And the airport as well， we will upgrade the airport into an international airport． So that， in the next time hopefully， in the next few years， you don＇t have to fly to Kuala Lumpur and then to Kelantan， you can fly directly to Kelantan from Beijing later on．
So when we plan our education in UMK， I always told my friends that don＇t look at what it is now， you have to think five to ten years ahead， think of what Kelantan going to be， the East Coast， ASEAN etc． When the ECRL completes， the port completes， the airport completes， and we are ready． When the time comes， we have all the talents． This will be called the job guarantee or business guarantee．
Q： As you have said， the unique feature of UMK is to cultivate job creations， to make people rich． Why does UMK make such a position？
A：Kelantan is known for business， and the people of Kelantan are known for having business minds， they are very entrepreneurial． They like to do business．
And that is one of the reasons why the government established UMK， the government said UMK should focus on entrepreneurship． When everything is ready； the business people in Kelantan will go up， because they are wonderful people．
UMK is working with the state government and various ministries such as ministry of entrepreneurship development （MED） to produce more business people， not just local business people． We want them to have big minds． Our vision or mission is entrepreneurship． Our signal is the most entrepreneurial university in Malaysia．
We have three developing phases， the first phase is the most entrepreneurial university in Malaysia， and then five years later the most entrepreneurial university in south Asia， and in 2030 we are going to be the most entrepreneurial university in Asia． However， I believe we can achieve that much earlier． That＇s a big dream and it will come true soon．
During my speech two weeks before， I told my students that I want them rich； I want our lecturers to be rich； the country leaders also hope to make their people rich． When we are rich， we will give back to the university， and rich people can help more people．
We are very open， if you have products， you do research， and you have products that can be marketed globally， we will help you to do that so that he can be rich． So when you reach your big times， you give donation back to the university． That＇s how we do things． We want to run UMK like a business entity． That＇s my dream．
What we＇re trying to do at the UMK is that I challenged the lecturers that can you reduce the class into 50％？ Lecturers don＇t have to teach too many things， students don＇t remember． What you remember is the experience they have explored． So we try to reduce our class into half， the other half they can read by themselves． And they can use more time to explore the world， to go out， work and then they become more experienced adviser with wisdom．
Q： So， what causes or educational methods does UMK implement to achieve this goal？
A：Firstly， we teach students to do business． For example， we have 8 faculties and 26 undergraduate programs， we have sciences， art， technology， business， but all students in all programs we have to take into entrepreneurship （four subjects with a total of 12 credit hours）．
Secondly， we currently have five programs that we call work－based learning （WBL） programs． For example， we have a four－year－program that students study only for three years and then go on to work for one year． If possible， we want to cut students’ studying time to two years and then they can have more time to work． I believe that students can learn more from working．
Another example， I have one student who worked in a very famous restaurant， an Indian restaurant． I know the boss of the restaurant， so he worked there for one year； he learned how to run a restaurant as a chain of restaurants． My student worked there for one year before he finished that one year， he opened up his own restaurant． Moreover， he told me that in his first year， he almost earned one million already． He is now in his second year． I say wow； you must be richer than me．
With the development of network technology， our creative students who are very good at using the computer can start making money by designing things when they study． We want to encourage more students to explore their unknown fields． We open up the platform for them， so they can register their companies， and they don’t have to go out to work， they keep studying in school while working and earning money．
This is the new world economy． They don＇t need to have a big office now． My second child， he is doing industrial training at home， probably only one or two days a week that he needs to go to his office． So I think the future is like that， even in my area， accounting and auditing， people who want to do the audit don＇t have to go to the office， they just need to have access to the computer system， and they can do the audit anywhere．
We need our students to explore more． I would send my students to go out， go to China， Japan， Korea， Indonesia， etc． And Indonesia is much cheaper， if you don＇t have much money， go to the cheaper place first， students can use every opportunity to explode the world． That＇s how we train our students．
We also tell our lecturers to go out， to meet people． You cannot be a professor sitting in a room， because professor now is different from ten or twenty years ago． You can’t just write papers in room， nobody read that kind of papers．
Q： Please introduce the five Work－Based Learning programs to us．
A：UMK offers several Work－Based Learning programs （WBL） since 2016． WBL provides opportunity for students to gain working experience while learning and earning income． It also boosts graduate employability． UMK will add few new WBL programs starting September this year．
1． Faculty of Entrepreneurship and Business：
Bachelor of Entrepreneurship
2．Faculty of Tourism， Hospitality and Wellness：
Bachelor of Entrepreneurship （Tourism）
Bachelor of Entrepreneurship （Hospitality）
Bachelor of Entrepreneurship （Wellness）
3．Faculty of Bioengineering and Technology：
Bachelor of Applied Science （Bioindustrial Technology）
Q： You have introduced that UMK is very open now， then from what aspects or cooperation can we see UMK’s openness more clearly？
A：Yes， UMK is very open now． It’s so opened that we have open hearts to everything， and we can discuss any of your ideas come to us， this is the first one．
Secondly， we learned new technologies and skills from China’s universities． For example， we learn agricultural skills from China Agricultural University which is one of the top agricultural universities in China． We also signed MOU with University of International Business and Economy （UIBE）．
Huawei and Alibaba are also partners of UMK． We learned 5G from Huawei which is an important partner of UMK． The Malaysia’s CEO of Huawei came to UMK to help us build a smart campus． I’m negotiating with Huawei to help us design a program for Artificial Intelligence too． When I worked in the Ministry of Education， Malaysia already established relationships with Alibaba， and when I came to UMK， I negotiate with Alibaba that we want Alibaba to train our students in commerce， so that they can use Alibaba’s platform to sell more， to reach out to China， to reach out to the US and the UK． We are going to sign very soon． We have been at the final stage with Alibaba．
Thirdly， the world must have a collaboration corporation． It’s no fight， it’s no competition， it’s all about cooperation． So when we are learning something from China， China can still learn something from Kelantan and Malaysia as well， so it must benefit for each side． We can all benefit from the good relations． This is important．
Q： During your tenure， what aspects do you hope to promote educational cooperation between China and Malaysia？ What breakthroughs are expected？
A：One of the most important aspects of the academic cooperation between Malaysia and China is research， especially in the areas of science and technology．
Chinese technology develops very fast． I＇ve been to Guizhou， and Guizhou is the heart for big data． They are crazy， and there are nearly five hundred big companies working at one place． Hangzhou is another place where Alibaba is， also Shenzhen the HQ of Tencent． In that sense， Malaysia is behind， and we need to learn and we need to catch up fast．
Moreover， in terms of the science of agriculture， we can explore more． Some Chinese are very good． There are few areas where we are also very good． Therefore， we can work together， and by doing a good research you can teach and share with your students in a better way． So we want to explore more things beyond not just look at what the current situation is， we also need to think five to ten years before， and through connectivity， we would like to have some kind of joint programs later on．
Normally when you have joint programs in the old days， you have to travel many times． But with the new technology， you don＇t have to． Our students can listen to the lecturers in Beijing or Chengdu， Xiamen， and those students in those regions can also follow our lecturers in Malaysia， because our time is similar which make our potential cooperation very big． There are no boundaries anymore， which is our future．
Look at the United Nation’s sustainable development goals， which are all about three Ps，“people， planet and prosperity”． Through good cooperation on research， we want to solve some useful and practical problems to benefit humanity． We want to help more people to live a better life．
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